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15/8/09
A question has occurred to me now that we are receiving
Our Lord in one kind only.I am of course aware that this is still Him fully.
What are the roots of this tradition? I know that only recently Rome
administered solely His Body (although not everywhere and certainly not in
Santiago de Compostela, Spain where I visit annually ) Was it because the wine
used was so rare and valuable or perhaps for practical reasons?
James Macdonald (not a member) St Michael and All Angels Barnes. SW London
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16/8/09 - David Jones
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Dear
GSS,
I am surprised to find a message from the Forum that says: "A question has
occurred to me now that we are receiving Our Lord in one kind only. I am of
course aware that this is still Him fully."
My understanding is that the norm is still to follow the prescriptions of
the BCP of 1662 in UK and 1979 in USA - that Holy Communion should be given
in both kinds.
With Universal Love, Support and Respect,
David Jones
Lay Eucharistic Minister
Lay Intercessor
Lay Lector
Church of the Good Shepherd, Burke, Virginia.
Episcopal Church of the USA.
Home:
4936 Andrea Avenue,
Annandale. VA. 22003. USA
Tel: 703-978-8564 Fax: 703-978-8014mm
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16/8/09 - C Ann Hind
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Dear
G.SS.
Unable currently to get to church, the Blessed Sacrament is brought to me by
Fr Josif, vicar of St Thomas` , Purston ( Wakefield Dio.) in one
kind.....and I am on the verge of raising the question of it being tinctured
with the Blessed wine. He is the priest, he will know.
My question is in abeyance for the moment with the added furore that comes
to my door with friends from three surrounding parishes; many of whom are in
dispute with their vicar or vicaress at what they perceive as an effrontery
to Christ and deprivation to them, in the new Orders ....are they really
ordered to do it ?....during the swine fever anxiety. Sadly, the talk is of
unseemly arguments; of going to the altar rail and declining to accept it
untinctured or of continuing to kneel as in expectation of the chalice ;
even of boycotting church until Order is restored. For those with no
confidence in the validity of bread and wine from under the hand and
blessing of a woman, this is an interesting turn of events...but does not go
un - noticed by the unknowing, uncaring public; who think it an un-Christian
nonsense.
The fullness of the Blessed Sacrament Celebrated by a Priest of direct
succession from Christ's Apostles appointed at his own Direction should
under no circumstances ever be boycotted, turned away, nor the subject for
unseemly demonstrations. Priest and people must find a way for it to be
given in Full and received with every dignity afforded it.....and that
giving and that receiving should be seen and spoken of happening to be sure
to create an atmosphere of Great Respect and Importance to us......as indeed
it is. Worship of every kind has in too many places sunk to the equivalent
of a little something that makes people feel nice ; or as an optional
entertainment.
Please raise the level of this unhappy nagging and niggling into an
opportunity to rethink; debate ; raise it to a higher level and restore the
recognition, the dignity and approach toward the presence of Christ in the
form of Bread and Wine, bringing it into perspective and acknowledged
Importance. It will not be more lace on the cottas of server nor of Priest
that will lift either Christian Worship nor Our Lord's Presence from low
down of the Nation's list of priorities; but Dignity, energy in following
our lay or priestly Calling and the restoration of a long and decent period
of preparation from Baptism to Confirmation.....a Lifestyle. This means
thoroughly educated clergy with a Calling to Serve and put that C who do not
depend solely on a 9.a.m to 5 p.m. day ;their answer - phones and computers
and who regularly preach well - thought - out and prepared Sermons; who over
- see well - run Sunday Schools and resist giving the impression that calls
on his time and energy by parishioners are a drain on his time and
energies....not even when they are. He is Christ's most visible
representative and he is both the Celebrant and the Guardian of Christ in
form of Bread and Wine.
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17/8/09 - Ian Marsh
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I
have been to 3 different Anglo-Catholic churches in the last 2 weeks and
each time I have received in 2 kinds so please we are not all receiving in
one kind only.
Ian Marsh
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30/8/09 - Fr. Graham Colby
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A
memory from my Anglican days - one Sunday in the mid 60's (Vatican II had
just ended) while at London University, I attended Mass with a RC friend at
St Magnus the Martyr, London Bridge. In those days St Magnus was perhaps a
little less Roman than in Fr Fynnes-Clinton's time, but was still
essentially tridentine, and a sizeable proportion of the congregation -
myself included - habitually received in one kind. My RC friend happily
received in both kinds and lectured me afterwards on my "extremism"! I can
still hear him saying "Graham - one kind!! How could you?" as we made our
way up the hill to the pub after Mass! They were good days.
Fr Graham Colby
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8/9/09 - MHG
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25/11/09 - Gerald Wilson
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Here in the Blackburn Diocese we are following the Bishop's instruction
to administer Holy Communion in one kind only during the swine flu
pandemic. I believe that this originated in advice from the Archbishops
of Canterbury & York. I am told, however, by people who have been to
churches in other dioceses, that elsewhere congregations are receiving
in both kinds and either never applied any restriction or have given it
up. Can members please indicate what the situation is in their own
dioceses (CofE)?
Gerald Wilson
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1/12/09 - CB
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St Eds and Ips: the Bishop followed the Archbishops' advice at first,
but A-C parishes generally continued to receive in both kinds, offering
the option of one kind. However, at the first new Diocesan Synod last
month at the Eucharist we received in both kinds, the Bishop had decided
it was now acceptable to do so. When I worked in an RC school, at school
Masses we only ever received in one kind, both RCs and Anglicans - the
Anglican Bishop of the particular Diocese gave permission for the
Reserved Sacrament to be brought to school by the priest from the local
church for the Anglicans to receive (the RC priest having consecrated'
theirs' during the Mass).
CB(Suffolk)
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4/12/09 - James Macdonald
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Another schism!!!!
We can all pray for whichever of us are in error!
James Macdonald
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